[Missouri-l] Fw: [CCB-L] Re: Fwd: Very obese fliers on United may have to buy 2nd seat

[Terrie Arnold]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave McElroy WA6BEF" 
<dave at drakelroy.com>
To: <ccb-l at googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 11:21 
AM
Subject: [CCB-L] Re: Fwd: Very 
obese fliers on United may have to 
buy 2nd seat



Probably not because the policy is 
instituted only after reasonable 
efforts have been made to address 
the issue.  1,  no extra charges 
if the flight is not full.  2, 
evidently the rule is only envoked 
if the passenger cannot A put both 
armrests down *and* B use the 
seatbelt with an extender.

Remember that the byword in ADA is 
"reasonable."

Now if an individual could prove 
that any of these conditions were 
not met and they were still 
charged, then there would be room 
for litigation I think.  But hey, 
I'm not a lawyer and am just 
looking at this based on the 
guidelines as quoted.

-----Original Message-----
From: CCB-L at googlegroups.com 
[mailto:CCB-L at googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Andy Baracco
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 
9:08 PM
To: acb-l at acb.org
Cc: ccb-l at googlegroups.com
Subject: [CCB-L] Fwd: Very obese 
fliers on United may have to buy 
2nd seat


COULD THERE BE AN ADA SUIT BREWING 
HERE?

ANDY


SUBJECT: VERY OBESE FLIERS ON 
UNITED MAY HAVE TO BUY 2ND SEAT

UNITED AIRLINES IS REQUIRING 
EXTREMELY OBESE PASSENGERS WHO 
CAN'T FIT IN
THEIR SEATS TO PAY FOR A SECOND 
SEAT WHEN THERE IS NO OTHER WAY TO
ACCOMMODATE THEIR GIRTH.
UNITED SAID WEDNESDAY THAT IT WILL 
CHARGE OBESE, COACH-CLASS 
PASSENGERS FOR
A SECOND COACH SEAT OR FOR 
UPGRADING TO A LARGER SEAT IN 
BUSINESS OR FIRST
CLASS, IF NECESSARY. THE POLICY 
APPLIES TO UNITED AND UNITED 
EXPRESS
FLIGHTS. UNITED PUBLISHED ITS NEW 
POLICY ON ITS WEBSITE UNDER 
"PASSENGERS
REQUIRING EXTRA SPACE."

"WE HAD 700 COMPLAINTS ABOUT THIS 
LAST YEAR," SAID ROBIN URBANSKI, A 
UNITED
(UAUA) SPOKESWOMAN. "NOW OUR 
EMPLOYEES HAVE A FORMAL POLICY 
THEY CAN REFER
TO."

FEDERAL SAFETY REGULATIONS REQUIRE 
ALL AIRLINE PASSENGERS USE A SEAT 
BELT.
PASSENGERS USING A SEAT BELT 
EXTENSION CANNOT SIT IN AN 
EMERGENCY EXIT ROW.

UNITED'S NEW POLICY COMES INTO 
PLAY WHEN A HEAVY PASSENGER CANNOT 
LOWER THE
ARMRESTS, CLOSE THE SEAT BELT EVEN 
WITH A SEAT BELT EXTENDER AND 
SEATS NEXT
TO THAT PASSENGER ARE FULL.

IN THAT CASE, URBANSKI SAID, 
FLIGHT ATTENDANTS WILL FIRST SEE 
WHETHER THERE
ARE TWO EMPTY SEATS TOGETHER IN 
THE SAME CABIN ON THAT FLIGHT. IF 
NOT, THE
GATE AGENT WILL TALK PRIVATELY 
WITH THE PASSENGER. UNITED WILL 
OFFER A
SECOND SEAT ON A LESS-CROWDED, 
LATER FLIGHT AT THE SAME PRICE 
PAID FOR THE
ORIGINAL SEAT AND WAIVE THE FEE 
FOR CHANGING FLIGHTS.

PASSENGERS WHO REFUSE TO COMPLY 
WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO FLY.

URBANSKI SAID UNITED IS ONE OF THE 
LAST LARGE CARRIERS TO DEVELOP A 
FORMAL
POLICY FOR HEAVY PASSENGERS. 
CONTINENTAL AIRLINES SAID IT HAS 
THE SAME
POLICY. BUT SOME AIRLINES HANDLE 
THE SITUATION DIFFERENTLY. 
AMERICAN
AIRLINES USES A CASE-BY-CASE 
APPROACH. IF A FLIGHT IS FULL, 
DELTA AIR LINES
OFFERS A HEAVY PASSENGER THE 
OPTION OF BUYING A SECOND SEAT ON 
THE NEXT
AVAILABLE FLIGHT AT THE LOWEST 
FARE AVAILABLE, WHICH MAY NOT BE 
AS CHEAP AS
THE PASSENGER PAID FOR THE FIRST 
SEAT.

SOUTHWEST AIRLINES CAME UNDER FIRE 
IN 2002 BY ENFORCING A POLICY OF 
CHARGING
OBESE PASSENGERS FOR TWO TICKETS 
IF THEY TAKE UP MORE SPACE THAN 
THE SEAT
THEY PAID FOR, BUT THE POLICY 
STANDS.
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